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JT Moderator	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2007 2:03:22 PM Ignore JT Report Abuse Sunday, November 04, 2007 American Chronicle -- Today there seems to be a never ending saga of gas prices going up and down. Is there any integrity in the constant changing prices? All companies have a right to make a profit but the question in this situation is who is making the profit and is it reasonable. The constant change of gas prices and the profits continually get reported in the news and this makes people question what is happening with the supply of gas. Many people complain to the local gas stations but I feel they have little if any control over the prices listed at the pump. The owners of these stations must make a profit to stay in business but sometimes I see changes in prices several times during the month. Most gas stations, I believe, receive their supply once a month. If this is true, then the prices should stay the same until a new delivery is received. Visit American Chronicle for full article

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Sunday, November 04, 2007
American Chronicle -- Today there seems to be a never ending saga of gas prices going up and down. Is there any integrity in the constant changing prices? All companies have a right to make a profit but the question in this situation is who is making the profit and is it reasonable. The constant change of gas prices and the profits continually get reported in the news and this makes people question what is happening with the supply of gas. Many people complain to the local gas stations but I feel they have little if any control over the prices listed at the pump. The owners of these stations must make a profit to stay in business but sometimes I see changes in prices several times during the month. Most gas stations, I believe, receive their supply once a month. If this is true, then the prices should stay the same until a new delivery is received.

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PNF Champion Author Florida Posts:7,763 Points:1,298,060 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 1:08:26 PM Ignore PNF Report Abuse Many stations get their fuel based upon how much is left in the tank and when the delivery can come, unless they are a small station without much business then once a month might be a reality. Many busier stations get deliveries every week. I agree that I have seen prices change many times in one day! The station do not charge based upon cost, but market and above....FEAR!
tazdriver Champion Author Huntsville Posts:4,501 Points:1,005,030 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 10:03:49 AM Ignore tazdriver Report Abuse This is a good question. Integrity not only in gas prices but in all prices and across the board in government local, state and Federal. Every day there is someone brought before us in the media who gets flogged for doing something that demonstrates a lack of integrity. This seems to be just a sign of the problem not the root cause. We are suffering the consequences of lack of integrity, individual choices that affect us all. So you see, we are all in this together, we need to act like it and work together to effect a solution.
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:8,612 Points:1,527,885 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:41:00 AM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse Hmvee69; Very interesting, and I have posted the opposite view a number of times.I have in the past, when I drove to & from Florida,seen numerous similarities between the top oil companies,only showing differences for short periods while going up or down.An example: Shell & Petro Canada stations & Esso(Exxon in Canada) prices in my town have not differed for years ! The prices that I have seen are not just here,I have seen the same situation all the way down to Florida off I75,I81,I95 through Buffalo etc.and in FL . This experience is over60 years behind the wheel.I am sure this not 100% but offhand I can not cite a single example.
rs76 All-Star Author Maryland Posts:529 Points:73,215 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:38:16 AM Ignore rs76 Report Abuse The reactionary fluctuations have been taken to an extreme. Are there too many players in the energy markets?
D0NNLE Champion Author Columbus Posts:9,316 Points:1,033,650 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:34:47 AM Ignore D0NNLE Report Abuse I also think the oil companies are over charging us to make money for themselves, just incase they lose their jobs cause they run short of oil. They know we need it & gasoline to run our lives.
winggnutt Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,332 Points:1,425,625 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:29:05 AM Ignore winggnutt Report Abuse reactionary price fluctuations have been a tradition of the gas marketplace for decades and is unlikely to change
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:8,612 Points:1,527,885 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:27:41 AM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse Years ago the then oilbarons (502-60s) defended the attacks on gas price remaining the same, when the cost of oil had gone down,by saying that a cost reduction of oil would not show at the pump until the product hit the pump.Where the oilbarons telling the truth? It seems to me to no longer(if it ever was)the factor.It looks like rumour,political unrest,panic,weather etc.have taken over all of which hurt the consumer but the oil companies still make a good profit tho` not as great as last quater.
PetroPusher Sophomore Author Ohio Posts:133 Points:140,275 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:27:14 AM Ignore PetroPusher Report Abuse Unfortunately, gas price is like the stock market....it responds to any news, nationally or worldwide that MAY affect oil. Oil companies interpert the news as negative or postive and immediatley adjust prices accordingly so as IF the news is valid and holds true, the oil companies made a good business decision and all involved just justified their unrealistic salaries. Just like any business, including the one your in.....it's all about money. Gas prices just reflects our present economy.........very, very unstable.....thank you George Bush.
Rbl197 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:9,686 Points:1,989,480 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:19:40 AM Ignore Rbl197 Report Abuse Short answer...no.
Hmvee69 Rookie Author Knoxville Posts:9 Points:139,255 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:12:29 AM Ignore Hmvee69 Report Abuse I know a lot of the stations in my area (Knoxville, TN) receive gas on a weekly basis, so that could have something to do with the yo-yo gas prices. And, I agree the companines do have a right to make a profit, but isn't in the billions just a little too much? At the same time we brought the dependency on ourselves, so who should we truly blame?
rvnvet70 Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,708 Points:1,301,225 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:05:15 AM Ignore rvnvet70 Report Abuse Here in Michigan there's one company I know of that each of their stations has a different price. Sometimes there's a difference of 10-15 cents a gallon.
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:4,277 Points:1,466,370 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:04:16 AM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse About as much as CEO's & politicians.
rich148 Veteran Author Grand Rapids Posts:342 Points:567,990 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:03:01 AM Ignore rich148 Report Abuse you've got to be kidding.
WillyG Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,910 Points:569,520 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:02:34 AM Ignore WillyG Report Abuse Next thing you gonna ask if all politicians are honest...
cott83 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,922 Points:1,584,430 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 9:01:00 AM Ignore cott83 Report Abuse Around here, it seems that Tuesday is the magical day for prices to rise.
mrosteen All-Star Author Florida Posts:679 Points:440,575 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:59:51 AM Ignore mrosteen Report Abuse why do gas prices jump so quickly on any type of news that gets the oil industry panicked, yet prices trickle down a couple pennies at a time.
bug27 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:13,313 Points:1,608,970 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:56:12 AM Ignore bug27 Report Abuse Once a month? Our local gas stations' prices sometimes change twice in one day. The prices charged is often unrelated to the cost of the gas in the stations' tanks. THAT is gouging.
McNasties Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,920 Points:749,625 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:55:12 AM Ignore McNasties Report Abuse Most gas stations, I believe, receive their supply once a month. Another uninformed cretin.
whag Rookie Author Utah Posts:13 Points:867,785 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:45:51 AM Ignore whag Report Abuse If I understand it correctly most stations work through a jobber, and the jobber sets the price. This entity is making the local judgements on price, but I would bet some one up the line tells that person how much would be a logical price.
OSPREY Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,841 Points:2,009,435 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:44:47 AM Ignore OSPREY Report Abuse hell no
Knight_Rider All-Star Author Grand Rapids Posts:531 Points:478,575 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:43:48 AM Ignore Knight_Rider Report Abuse Who's modertating this crap! My post and the only other one that was worth reading have been removed!
timberwolfsteel Sophomore Author Knoxville Posts:218 Points:173,565 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:35:34 AM Ignore timberwolfsteel Report Abuse On the news of increased prices for oil, Pilot gas station in my town jumped from 2.75 to 3.09 over night. When the other stations didn't follow suit and only went up to 2.83, it showed me who the gouger is in my area. The next day, they dropped prices to match the surrounding stations.
Mwmemt Sophomore Author Detroit Posts:206 Points:270,950 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:31:22 AM Ignore Mwmemt Report Abuse The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Gas consumers and Oil companies are the perfect example.
Herder1 Champion Author Wyoming Posts:11,625 Points:1,932,700 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:22:57 AM Ignore Herder1 Report Abuse It's a game they are playing and making money at the same time. Is their something crooked going on and isn't there some laws which prevents this from happening.....YES there is but also ask your self this: what happens at the same time prices are going up and up? Isn't the government also making more tax money to do their pet projects that they want to be done? Is it any wonder the government don't step in and say 'enough is enough'! and put an end to this game.JMHO
DOWUP Champion Author Georgia Posts:2,775 Points:499,760 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:17:56 AM Ignore DOWUP Report Abuse If you don't like high gas prices, buy oil stocks.
westover Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,405 Points:1,464,115 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:17:39 AM Ignore westover Report Abuse Integrity of what? Oil companies want the money.
Jim_Volfan Champion Author Knoxville Posts:1,583 Points:497,430 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:13:20 AM Ignore Jim_Volfan Report Abuse Boycot the stations that gouge the consumer.
tags610 Champion Author Lincoln Posts:4,572 Points:948,835 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 8:01:09 AM Ignore tags610 Report Abuse Speculation is the major problem. I would be against regulation of the oil companies, but getting oil out of the futures market would be a plus.
wayne8501 Rookie Author Tennessee Posts:12 Points:396,990 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:59:30 AM Ignore wayne8501 Report Abuse they don't have any integrity they have thought of a way to rob you without usinfg a gun
The_WaTchR Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,603 Points:542,685 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:52:02 AM Ignore The_WaTchR Report Abuse I think that the oil companies need to answer to someone before they fluctuate the price of fuel. I am personally tired of the prices changing because of speculation, rumor, or the possibility of this or that. Fuel prices affect the average household and we can not speculate our household budget due to what may or may not occur with oil.
AvantiMick Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,066 Points:1,406,985 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:41:03 AM Ignore AvantiMick Report Abuse Hard to blame the middle east for prices when, in the US, prices jumps all around due to fears, speculation, maybes, and possibilities of "something" happening. It's the oil companies that set the gas prices and influence the oil price.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:11,635 Points:1,542,670 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:38:25 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse None what so ever.
movinon Champion Author Kansas City Posts:15,810 Points:1,584,305 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:38:08 AM Ignore movinon Report Abuse Integrity should never be used in the same sentence with oil companies or pricing.
Buz13 Champion Author Pensacola Posts:6,559 Points:1,325,520 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:35:39 AM Ignore Buz13 Report Abuse Gas Prices: They ROCKET up and FEATHER down.
GetURWingz All-Star Author Missouri Posts:820 Points:432,660 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:28:11 AM Ignore GetURWingz Report Abuse One goes up in price they all follow. Back in the 70's I ran a Clark Oil station. Each morning before i went to work I had to go and checked the competition and report what their price was to my home office. If I was selling a lot of gas they would see the spike and call to have me check prices again and they would tell me later to stay or go up in price.
EBR Champion Author Greensboro Posts:15,132 Points:2,088,530 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:24:58 AM Ignore EBR Report Abuse There's about as much integrity in gas prices as there is in the administration leaders whose families have close ties to the oil industry.
JasioN Champion Author Boston Posts:10,066 Points:1,996,615 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:19:07 AM Ignore JasioN Report Abuse No integegrity whatsoever. Any sign of trouble and things go up and keep you guessing instilling fear. You feel manipulated. Any explonation why a difference between gas grades stays the same dime despite 3x increase of in regular in the last decade?
luckyseverin Veteran Author Michigan Posts:347 Points:444,415 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:14:15 AM Ignore luckyseverin Report Abuse Done on the corner from my house, the price goes up 20-25 cents about every two weeks. It goes up in the morning and by the time I come home from work it will be down 5-15 cents as it did recently. I use a credit card knowing that I will have to pay the full price but the station will not get my full price due to credit card fees.
lleddirj Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,035 Points:820,895 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:08:41 AM Ignore lleddirj Report Abuse I think that from the end dealer (i.e. retail) there is to a large degree unless there are no competing stations in the area. The profit margin is so low on gas at this level that once gas gets much higher than $3/gal & the buyer uses a major credit card the profit is gone (that's why they want you to come inside a buy coffee for $2 which cost them $0.50. The real problem is the big guys that do the shipping and refining.
Oilcan2 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,480 Points:490,160 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 7:06:50 AM Ignore Oilcan2 Report Abuse I also think the stock market has a lot to do with the price of gas going up. They operate on fear (of not making a big profit). The price of oil goes up everytime there is a hint of trouble in an oil producing country. They don't even wait for the event to happen and sometimes it doesn't happen at all (ex. hurricanes). How does $95 per barrel of oil prevent the shortage from happening. If there is a TRUE shortage it is going to happen whether the price is $30 or $95.
my3sons Champion Author New York Posts:3,571 Points:1,235,875 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:59:15 AM Ignore my3sons Report Abuse Not at all!!
TerryLee Champion Author Ohio Posts:10,405 Points:1,947,515 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:57:37 AM Ignore TerryLee Report Abuse Nope
Cachase1 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,391 Points:1,193,980 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:56:01 AM Ignore Cachase1 Report Abuse Usually, the owners of the stations will raise their prices to compensate for the price of the next shipment of gas. If they didn't do this, they would not be able to pay for the next load and would not be able to sell gas anymore. Chris Chase
EasyMPG Champion Author Ontario Posts:10,635 Points:1,410,190 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:48:17 AM Ignore EasyMPG Report Abuse Well the stock market isn't the party responsible for devaluing the US dollar, so you might want to rethink that position.
lpj Champion Author Macon Posts:6,238 Points:1,319,780 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:37:24 AM Ignore lpj Report Abuse i think the stock market crowd is the reason our gas keeps going up!
raven10 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:63,636 Points:1,563,610 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:36:07 AM Ignore raven10 Report Abuse no
Crumbfel Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,556 Points:1,206,260 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:30:35 AM Ignore Crumbfel Report Abuse Sometimes locally the prices are changed two times a day. The pricing bosses of the various stations jump at any news that they can raise prices. The poor station owner myth is just that. Their greed plus the corporate greed equals continued higher prices as any excuse is a good excuse to raise prices.
dongo50 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:6,856 Points:1,211,285 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:20:56 AM Ignore dongo50 Report Abuse not here! there are 4 gas stations, and they always run the same pattern.
Bonanza Champion Author Boston Posts:4,981 Points:1,368,940 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 6:02:50 AM Ignore Bonanza Report Abuse What integrity?
cheapfellow All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:553 Points:141,715 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2007 5:59:15 AM Ignore cheapfellow Report Abuse Dictionary definition of "Integrity" >>>> firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility.